*This article discusses potential spoilers.
With the imminent release of Terminator: Dark Fate looming, the marketing for the movie has launched into full-speed with a clutch of new trailers hitting the internet and sweeping their way across social media – did we partake? Why yes, we did.
The problem with marketing though, is the ease with which promotion can swiftly change from a subtle tease of suggestion into an outright onslaught of information (and footage) which exposes the entire movie to scrutiny before the finished product even gets a chance to make a mark on the audience upon release.

We’ve had comments and emails from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube and our website (please feel free to follow, like and subscribe); all stating that T:DF’s marketing and trailers are giving too much away too soon.
It’s one thing to theorise, debate, discuss and throw the kitchen sink at the wall (it won’t stick apparently) – it’s quite another to deliver full character descriptions whilst showing a journey practically from A – B with nearly the whole first act on show, and this is all after “leaks” which, most likely, came from the studios themselves (director Tim Miller has rep, just look at Deadpool’s leak history). Leaks which potentially exposed some of the biggest and most controversial moments in Dark Fate, just to get everyone settled and accepting of what’s to come.
Yes, to a degree many fans have come to accept the fate which has been dealt to them – some eagerly, some begrudgingly, some, like myself, with a dubious sense of impending doom and jaundice, mixed with a desperate kind of hope that maybe it’s all just skewed misdirection.
Many fans were concerned that Terminator: Dark Fate could fall afoul of some of the same pitfalls that previous installments had – leaving very little mystery for the first showing, or like Genishi… Genisys did; tell you that John Connor’s the real baddie.
*If you didn’t know that then 1. I apologise, and 2. It NEVER happened.

“It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.”
Voltaire
Trailers should be an amuse-bouche, an appetiser for the movie’s main-course. Trailers shouldn’t give you everything, well, not if the studios want you to buy a ticket, stream or download the movie that they’re desperately trying to sell.
Are we complicit simply by discussing Terminator: Dark Fate? No. At least I don’t believe so.
To me, we, as fans… we talk about Terminator because we give a sh*t about it. The fans are the ones that keep the franchise alive.
Perhaps you disagree? Don’t forget to leave a comment.
Where was I going with this? Ah yes…
Adobe Creative Cloud, you know, the ones behind the whole #createyourfate challenge / competition thingy (if you entered then good luck and godspeed), well, Adobe recently released a video which was titled, Behind the Scenes with Terminator: Dark Fate | Adobe Creative Cloud – the description reads:
“Get an inside look from Director Tim Miller and the creators of Paramount’s Terminator: Dark Fate as they take you behind the scenes into their workflow & production for editing and creating visual effects using Premiere Pro, After Effects, and other tools inside the Adobe Creative Cloud suite.”
Adobe Creative Cloud
The video, which highlighted T:DF director Tim Miller’s enthusiasm for Adobe and the fact that the new Terminator movie utilised Adobe Premiere for some of its composites and pre-viz etc, contained a shot of Editor Julian Clarke (no relation to the other Terminator Clarke’s) sitting at a desk with multiple monitors which appeared to frame a controversial scene described in the Reddit leaks.
BEWARE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE, FOR AHEAD LAYETH SPOLIERS, AHEM – I MEAN *SPOILERS*
The scene was described as the assassination of young, just post T2, John Connor (Jude Collie – later with Edward Furlong’s digitally mapped face). The leaks stated that young John goes to a beach bar at the behest of his mother, Sarah Connor, to get her a drink, and as John’s at the bar, T-800 ‘Carl’ appears and proceeds to shotgun lil John to death.
The images in the Adobe video, though blurry, show a woman from the back, with long hair drawn into a ponytail, she’s wearing what looks to be a black vest (ala T2 Sarah Connor). In front of the woman is a smaller person, young adult, or, most likely young teen, about the age of John Connor just after the events of T2. The younger person is standing at a light, sandy-colored stall / bar – most likely the bar mentioned in the leaks. According to the leaks this is the opening scene, which is followed by narration from Linda Hamilton’s Sarah Connor and the title card for Terminator: Dark Fate.
Still reading? I feel your pain – this is why Editor’s should stick to editing – Okay, you’ve reached the end, not long, we’re nearly there…
Why would Paramount Pictures and Skydance Media purposely allow Adobe Creative Cloud to show that scene?
Why would they show that scene twice?
All PR is good PR. Good buzz is great but no buzz or underwhelming buzz is bad. Even the controversy created by the leaked information of John’s demise didn’t last long and it got people talking, it got fans arguing, @’ing, hashtagging and sharing for a movie that people weren’t really showing interest in.
But – is it too much?
Do you feel like you’ve already seen the movie?
More information on the Adobe Creative Cloud John Connor scene in the video below.
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21 Comments
I know red flags are being pointed but those could be misdirection. The finished product will speak for itself.
Is John truly dead or was his “assassination” staged to fool Skynet in the Future? By thinking John is dead already, Skynet won’t be looking for him anymore in the past or future. He could then plan and carry out the ultimate attack that wipes out Skynet once and for all and change the Future (& maybe even the Past) as a surprise in the last movie of this supposed new trilogy. A bigger lie is more believable. Hell, some of us (not me) as future movie watchers of T: DF already believe his death is true. Ha!
Skynet is no more, remember. It’s a new AI called Legion. Let’s face it. JC is murdered as a kid and is dead for good.
pr campaign must large, because whole movie is basically just about crossing the border. There is not much to show.
Meh…………..for what it’s worth John Connor got his proper development/conclusion in the defunct Malibu Comics “Cybernetic Dawn/Nuclear Twilight” published back in 1996, so there is that. (including other stories like Burning Earth)
Genisys already took a steaming pile of dung on him by turning him into a goofy super-villain, there is no coming back from that, Dark Fate’s treatment is a lot more dignified by comparison.
(i know i know, i should be raging against the cult of wokeness/PC hysteria in Hollywood right now but at this point i’m just exhausted and don’t care anymore, let them do what they believe they must do, what they believe is the right thing to do, just grab the popcorn and enjoy what you can)
From knowing James Cameron, I can say we all will be surprised.
Just bought my tickets.
“15” CERTIFICATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
WTF ?
You seriously bummed out by a ’15’????? considering last 3 have been a ’12’?? and The first two films are ’15’?? Err ok, no pleasing people these days
T:DF is rated 12 in a few countries but 15 in the UK? Something is off!
That’s the rating of the first Terminator. That’s good news!
Until the early 2000’s The Terminator (1984) was an 18 in the UK. Some people just want the 18 back in the UK.
What does it matter they changed Terminator from 18 to a 15 when no cuts were made in doing so? Neither T1 or T2 are that bloody of films. Main thing is making an intense and thrilling film with a good story and characters. Rambo 5 is prime example of making a film 18 by upping the gore to extreme levels and taking out everything else that matters….that was bloody awful film bar Stallone
I don’t think so.
I think marketing ANY film is extremely tricky, because the impulse is to lay the story out for the audience and give them some context.
This Terminator is skipping three movies and realigning the steering wheel, so naturally, people will be confused as to how this fits into the mythology. They have to set the plot of the film up, while still hiding the controversial changes, behind their back.
They have to be very coy as to the basic question any Terminator fan will ask, “Where is John Connor?”
So, to divert the focus of that, they have to give you a whole bunch of other stuff that IS related to what happens in the film.
I am personally not happy with the road this Terminator is going down, but I recognize the problems this film faces isn’t due to its marketing campaign, but that 80% of the whole plot was leaked AS the marketing campaign kicked off.
You are a complete fool, do you know that???? Look at all the TDF trailers, from teasers to TV spots. They showed us 7% actions or scenes out of 100%, and still didn’t spoiled anything like t-2,genisys did.
And you are saying like those Goddamm haters : they’ve showed us the whole movie in trailers, TV spots ….blah blah blah.
I have a serious question for you. Are you supporting TDF or are you against it??? Do you really want TDF to succeed + want to see a franchise ??? If you are against TDF, then I will say: SHAME ON YOU!!!! You don’t deserve to call yourself a t-fan.
I don’t care if john dies or not, he was never a hero in t- trilogy(t-1,2). Instead i will call this a best scene in this movie. Because,I want to feel those original classic tones: fear,terror,flesh with horrortype blood, pain in this TDF, I want best story which will shock us like t-1,2!!!!! This scene is the perfect one in bringing those tones of t-1,2- A DARK FATE!!!!!
Terminator was never about an enjoyment,entertainment movie, instead it was like a horror type weired and with TERROR type movie which will help you having nightmares in your dreams,day,night.
Again, t-2 was rated 15 in UK, which has blood everything. So, no matter what TDF will give us Blood, R Rated.
So, support TDF like us, have faith, or GO TO HELL with those t-haters. I am giving you a last chance, terminator fans.com, LAST CHANCE!!!!!!
You do not decide who is or is not a fan.
You will not issue threats on this website.
People speak for themselves and have opinions which may differ from your own – you are not better than anyone else.
Aditta is a bit out of line here and over the top.
But I do agree that the writers on this site are very poor at being objective, and it often feels like they have an agenda to ruin the reputation of this film before it’s even been released.
YES, everyone has an opinion. But your responsibility as a fansite and a leading resource of information on the Terminator franchise is to AVOID being biased.
We’re a fansite. We’re fans of the Terminator franchise. Fans have opinions. Love or hate. We cover Terminator news AND give our opinions – we do not claim to be the voice of the entire fanbase. We do not have an agenda and we are not trying to “ruin the reputation of this film”.
The article you are commenting on is us responding to our website, our social media and Youtube being contacted (as stated in the content itself) by multiple users regarding what they believe to be excessive marketing – marketing – by the studios behind T:DF.
We are very hopeful that Terminator: Dark Fate is a worthy successor to Terminator 2: Judgment Day.
I think you’re confusing a fan with a fanatic.
Aditta, Chill out. Dickwad!
Take a hike, bozo.
Dark bait and slasher, I am chilled.
And, stop calling worst words, you are ruining your own image yourself.